Great post, Sri! Thanks for sharing. Yes, in his three insightful books, Mr. Lynch share many great tips for investors. He is one of the best teachers out there.
Two great points I learned from Munger:
1. It's easier to look at the big gold nudgets that other people mined out and take advange of the findings by other harder working people.
2. The key is to work, work, work, and hopefully you will hit upon a few insights.
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During the bubble years for banks, JPM and WaMu openned way too many branches. They now have to close them one by one.
They sold tons of mortgages. They pushed mutual funds that got their clients burned.
Jim Roger is right on the money. JPM is a product pushing sales empire. The culture and employee moral are terrible. Their strong bank image is just false.
During the mortgage bubble, JPMorgan Chase was pushing home equity loan and mortgages like a mad dog using thousands of their personal bankers in all the branches.
The WaMu they swallowed is even worse, granting mortgages to millions unworthy borrowers.
If Citi, BoA and even WFC are heading down like this, there is no way that JPM is going to hold up.
The myth of JPM as a strong bank is a hoax.
Shorting JPM and long WFC would be a good pair trade.
This could be the 10th time I watched this short video, yet it still drove me to tears. Thank you for posting this special video. You guys are sharing some great stuff in this forum. Go Zenway!
This is a new era for Buffett and for Berkshire. From here on, advising President Obama, Buffett now has a greater influence of the U.S. economic machine and maybe the entire world.
A new era and a new a major rally for BRK maybe just around the corner. Go Obama! Go Buffett! Go Berkshire!
Seeing a three-month T-bill that involved a small amount of negative interest, Buffett joked that the mattresses sold by Nebraska Furniture Mart were a better place to put your money. Presently there is a bubble in U.S. Treasury securities. Credit spreads have gone from far too narrow a couple of years ago to far too wide today. Money can be made shorting Treasuries and going long corporate bonds, provided you can play out your hand. Excessive amounts of leverage used by hedge funds have resulted in enormous losses from sensible bets because players could not play out their hands.
Buffett told a silly joke about how tough things were in the financial sector. “I know off a Wall Street investment banker who got no bonus this year. He came home and told his wife that they’d have to really cut back. “If you could learn to cook,” he said, “we could lay off the kitchen staff.” She replied, “If you could learn how to make love, we could lay off the gardener too.””
“Berkshire Hathaway has made big insurance investments. Is Berkshire apt to get into health insurance in a big way?” “No,” Buffett quickly replied. He does not want to get into types of insurance where buyers may not understand what coverage they have or can expect. Harley Davidson bonds should do well. “It’s a wonderful business when your customers are willing to tattoo your name on themselves,” Buffett said.
“Will the stimulus package work?” Buffett said that monetary policy has been exhausted, and classical Keynesian fiscal policy stimulus is all that’s left. Proposed fiscal policies are much better than sitting back and doing nothing. However, the power of fiscal stimulus is limited. When FDR took over, for example, he had an unlimited ability to get things passed quickly. While the U.S. unemployment rate fell from 25 percent to 9 percent by 1939, the U.S. economy never fully recovered from the Great Depression until World War II. Today, we could have the Federal Government put everybody to work making capital equipment, or battle ships, and take them out into the ocean and sink them, but that would not be as beneficial as current plans to stimulate the production of capital goods and services that will be used over time. Still, Buffett admonished, we have to be careful. “When it comes to economic policy, you never do just one one thing at a time.”
On okbridge.com Buffett is “T-bone” while his friend Bill Gates is “Chalenger.” (With one "L") “Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard during his junior year,” Buffett said, “apparently, spelling is a senior-level course.”
By studying Bruce's top positions, I think his decision to sell BRK is due to Warren's exposures in the banking and insurance industry. Bruce perhaps concluded that insurance and banking stocks to too hard to understand the downside, and he had enough with the downside uncertainty.
It's true that those industries are tough to analyze. Even Buffett made some mistakes about WFC and USB. He seems to have made a mistake by buying more WFC near the high instead of selling. (I am still wondering why Buffett did not sell his positions closely linked to the housing bubble when he himself predicted the housing meltdown years ago.) But on the other hand, selling those at the high and pay 35% corporate tax may not be better than simply holding them. (The huge disadvantage of being too big and too profitable. Maybe he just predicted a 40% drop in those stocks.)
Yes, banks and insurances are hard to analyze. But it is a necessary industry. It has to exist for the economy to work. If they could contain their loan losses, other units could be hugely profitable.
Insiders in big banks started buying. Do they see the bad loan trends that we don't see?
Looking the recent strong rally in financial shares, I think BRK is ripe for a big rally.
With this huge bear market, Buffett was dealt with a great opportunity to put his cash to work. So even there could be health problem, the master's new investment positions could do extremely well for the next 10 years, with or without the master at the helm. So selling on health concerns is another mistake. Betting on a master's painting often pays off even after the master is gone.
This is not an equity investment, though. This is a senior bond. If it doesn't have conversion rights, it won't be a bet on the stock. Oftentimes, the media misinterpret tidbits of what Buffett says and does.
This forum rocks!!! Great content. I like that fact you posted Bill Gates's original words, not the media interpretation.
Bill wrote: "If you take a longer timeframe, such as five to ten years, I am very optimistic that these problems will be behind us."
The media headline of Bill Gates predicting a 4 year downturn is perhaps an misinterpretation by Media. From the sentence above, Bill only said he is sure that over the long term things will be fine. This shows you that second-hand media headlines are often misleading.
"Ticketmaster Entertainment Inc. and Live Nation Inc. are close to a merger, people familiar with the matter said, in a deal that would consolidate two of the most powerful forces in the music industry under one roof."
....
:)
(Now, I just need Brk.B to initiate a cash buy-back)
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i agree with both of you. i share p's conviction about value investing. i share brian's point that we need to consider the flip side. munger says: revert, always revert. buffett said we need to collect and sort out conflicting information. so we argue from both sides. develop a conviction on one side, and then we can't be dogmatic, we have to continue to listen to the flip side and see if we were wrong. anyway, yin yang yin yang, thanks to my wise ancestors! debates and thought challenges make all of us wiser.
Thanks for writing down and sharing your idea! I need to do more of what you did. With the arguments written down, I can always come back 3 years down the road and analyze what the heck went wrong in my freaking mind. :)
I try to look into investment ideas one at a time. And today I did my daily quota thanks to your posting. I found the TKTM had bad earnings and cash flow in 1998 to 2001. Do you think the business dramatically improved versus the past?
Could the business be so volatile that it turn negative very soon?
If I run a show, I would sell tickets over the internet on my own. Why give TKTM a % cut? How much is TKTM's fee? What's the cost advantage to theaters? I feel I don't understand this beast. Please enlighten me.
Your profile photo would look best and match other photos in size if you could use photoshop to resize it to 85x85. Or you email us a photo and we can help you with that.
After writing this post, i realised that i rejected the companies because of debt (or high debtloads). As someone on another board pointed out, perhaps i should look for companies like the ones mentioned above but with lesser debt.
Cheers.
Raytoei
Great post, Sri! Thanks for sharing. Yes, in his three insightful books, Mr. Lynch share many great tips for investors. He is one of the best teachers out there.
I think Peter Lynch's "One Up on Wall Street" is a must-have for the personal library of every serious investor:
http://astore.amazon.com/zw-20/detail/0743200403
Two great points I learned from Munger:
1. It's easier to look at the big gold nudgets that other people mined out and take advange of the findings by other harder working people.
2. The key is to work, work, work, and hopefully you will hit upon a few insights.
郑博仁2008年10月21日在上海交通大学的讲座上,根据巴菲特的价值计算系统,预言中国股见底,可以买入。当时我们半信半疑,现在看来郑博仁还是看准了。价值计算是个好东西。
不知在市场大升后,你们有何新看法?
新希望(000876)P/E17.85主营收入+62.92% 净利12.5%
双汇发展(000895)P/E27.6主营收入19% 净利+24.38%
张裕B(200869)P/E22主营收入24.87% 净利43.42%
燕京啤酒(000729)P/E25.6主营收入8.46% 净利15.93%
山西汾酒(600809)P/E25.86主营收入-13.5% 净利-19%
伊利股份(600889)P/E主营收入+29.67% 净利-133%(毒奶事件影响)
水井坊(600779)P/E21主营收入22.24% 净利84%
贵州茅台(600519)P/E26主营收入45.49% 净利97.72%
泸州老窖(000568)P/E19主营收入54% 净利165%
五粮液(000858)P/E32主营收入8.25% 净利23.27%
民和股份(002234)P/E18主营收入+43.89% 净利-39%(次新股)
I found these value investing lecture notes insightful and well organized. Thanks for posting them here!
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He is buying JNJ, KFT, WFC, DELL.
Sounds like he thinks that the crowd is too bearish.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/francis/archive/2009/02/19/fair...
During the bubble years for banks, JPM and WaMu openned way too many branches. They now have to close them one by one.
They sold tons of mortgages. They pushed mutual funds that got their clients burned.
Jim Roger is right on the money. JPM is a product pushing sales empire. The culture and employee moral are terrible. Their strong bank image is just false.
During the mortgage bubble, JPMorgan Chase was pushing home equity loan and mortgages like a mad dog using thousands of their personal bankers in all the branches.
The WaMu they swallowed is even worse, granting mortgages to millions unworthy borrowers.
If Citi, BoA and even WFC are heading down like this, there is no way that JPM is going to hold up.
The myth of JPM as a strong bank is a hoax.
Shorting JPM and long WFC would be a good pair trade.
Very Good! He's a real man.
This could be the 10th time I watched this short video, yet it still drove me to tears. Thank you for posting this special video. You guys are sharing some great stuff in this forum. Go Zenway!
This is a new era for Buffett and for Berkshire. From here on, advising President Obama, Buffett now has a greater influence of the U.S. economic machine and maybe the entire world.
A new era and a new a major rally for BRK maybe just around the corner. Go Obama! Go Buffett! Go Berkshire!
I think Buffett is now fully invested.
Seeing a three-month T-bill that involved a small amount of negative interest, Buffett joked that the mattresses sold by Nebraska Furniture Mart were a better place to put your money. Presently there is a bubble in U.S. Treasury securities. Credit spreads have gone from far too narrow a couple of years ago to far too wide today. Money can be made shorting Treasuries and going long corporate bonds, provided you can play out your hand. Excessive amounts of leverage used by hedge funds have resulted in enormous losses from sensible bets because players could not play out their hands.
Buffett told a silly joke about how tough things were in the financial sector. “I know off a Wall Street investment banker who got no bonus this year. He came home and told his wife that they’d have to really cut back. “If you could learn to cook,” he said, “we could lay off the kitchen staff.” She replied, “If you could learn how to make love, we could lay off the gardener too.””
Source:
http://boards.fool.com/Message.asp?mid=27421675&sort=postdate
“Berkshire Hathaway has made big insurance investments. Is Berkshire apt to get into health insurance in a big way?” “No,” Buffett quickly replied. He does not want to get into types of insurance where buyers may not understand what coverage they have or can expect. Harley Davidson bonds should do well. “It’s a wonderful business when your customers are willing to tattoo your name on themselves,” Buffett said.
“Will the stimulus package work?” Buffett said that monetary policy has been exhausted, and classical Keynesian fiscal policy stimulus is all that’s left. Proposed fiscal policies are much better than sitting back and doing nothing. However, the power of fiscal stimulus is limited. When FDR took over, for example, he had an unlimited ability to get things passed quickly. While the U.S. unemployment rate fell from 25 percent to 9 percent by 1939, the U.S. economy never fully recovered from the Great Depression until World War II. Today, we could have the Federal Government put everybody to work making capital equipment, or battle ships, and take them out into the ocean and sink them, but that would not be as beneficial as current plans to stimulate the production of capital goods and services that will be used over time. Still, Buffett admonished, we have to be careful. “When it comes to economic policy, you never do just one one thing at a time.”
On okbridge.com Buffett is “T-bone” while his friend Bill Gates is “Chalenger.” (With one "L") “Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard during his junior year,” Buffett said, “apparently, spelling is a senior-level course.”
Based on recent SEC filings of Fairholme Fund, Bruce Berkowitz could have sold all of their holdings in BRK:
http://www.fairholmefunds.com/2008ar.pdf
By studying Bruce's top positions, I think his decision to sell BRK is due to Warren's exposures in the banking and insurance industry. Bruce perhaps concluded that insurance and banking stocks to too hard to understand the downside, and he had enough with the downside uncertainty.
It's true that those industries are tough to analyze. Even Buffett made some mistakes about WFC and USB. He seems to have made a mistake by buying more WFC near the high instead of selling. (I am still wondering why Buffett did not sell his positions closely linked to the housing bubble when he himself predicted the housing meltdown years ago.) But on the other hand, selling those at the high and pay 35% corporate tax may not be better than simply holding them. (The huge disadvantage of being too big and too profitable. Maybe he just predicted a 40% drop in those stocks.)
Yes, banks and insurances are hard to analyze. But it is a necessary industry. It has to exist for the economy to work. If they could contain their loan losses, other units could be hugely profitable.
Insiders in big banks started buying. Do they see the bad loan trends that we don't see?
Looking the recent strong rally in financial shares, I think BRK is ripe for a big rally.
With this huge bear market, Buffett was dealt with a great opportunity to put his cash to work. So even there could be health problem, the master's new investment positions could do extremely well for the next 10 years, with or without the master at the helm. So selling on health concerns is another mistake. Betting on a master's painting often pays off even after the master is gone.
Cheers!
This article may have contributed to the late drop in BRK late today:
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINN0537838620090205?rpc=44
No new insights.
This is not an equity investment, though. This is a senior bond. If it doesn't have conversion rights, it won't be a bet on the stock. Oftentimes, the media misinterpret tidbits of what Buffett says and does.
This forum rocks!!! Great content. I like that fact you posted Bill Gates's original words, not the media interpretation.
Bill wrote: "If you take a longer timeframe, such as five to ten years, I am very optimistic that these problems will be behind us."
The media headline of Bill Gates predicting a 4 year downturn is perhaps an misinterpretation by Media. From the sentence above, Bill only said he is sure that over the long term things will be fine. This shows you that second-hand media headlines are often misleading.
国内股市会以现在这种小步慢走的方式,缓慢逐步走出底部,我们的判断没有错。
"Ticketmaster Entertainment Inc. and Live Nation Inc. are close to a merger, people familiar with the matter said, in a deal that would consolidate two of the most powerful forces in the music industry under one roof."
....
:)
(Now, I just need Brk.B to initiate a cash buy-back)
raytoei
Yes, Sri, with your database skill, let's make it happen!
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Just that you may want to know, the Zenway IT division provides turnkey services to investment advisers and analysts. To enable you to follow Warren Buffett's career path to build a money management firm, we can handle all your government registration requirements, compliance paperwork, website, forum, blog, brochure, branding, business strategy, etc. etc.
For our turnkey services for entrepreneurs, please email: info {at} zenway.com
i agree with both of you. i share p's conviction about value investing. i share brian's point that we need to consider the flip side. munger says: revert, always revert. buffett said we need to collect and sort out conflicting information. so we argue from both sides. develop a conviction on one side, and then we can't be dogmatic, we have to continue to listen to the flip side and see if we were wrong. anyway, yin yang yin yang, thanks to my wise ancestors! debates and thought challenges make all of us wiser.
The old MO was recently split into KFT, PM and MO. It takes time to figure out who got what and what business mix remain at MO.
A lot of the segment financial data takes time to collect if you want to do a serious valuation analysis.
Besides, cigarettes could be a business in decline as more and more people see the health hazards around the world.
Thanks for writing down and sharing your idea! I need to do more of what you did. With the arguments written down, I can always come back 3 years down the road and analyze what the heck went wrong in my freaking mind. :)
I try to look into investment ideas one at a time. And today I did my daily quota thanks to your posting. I found the TKTM had bad earnings and cash flow in 1998 to 2001. Do you think the business dramatically improved versus the past?
Could the business be so volatile that it turn negative very soon?
If I run a show, I would sell tickets over the internet on my own. Why give TKTM a % cut? How much is TKTM's fee? What's the cost advantage to theaters? I feel I don't understand this beast. Please enlighten me.
Your profile photo would look best and match other photos in size if you could use photoshop to resize it to 85x85. Or you email us a photo and we can help you with that.
After writing this post, i realised that i rejected the companies because of debt (or high debtloads). As someone on another board pointed out, perhaps i should look for companies like the ones mentioned above but with lesser debt.
Cheers.
Raytoei